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Poster: Stealz Date: Nov 4, 2008 2:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: VOTE!

Roseanne?


Wait, you must mean Bob. My bad.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 4, 2008 6:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: VOTE!

Fun thread.

I remembered the 20+ million Russians dying in WWII, but surprised how low the other European numbers were.

I would like to know what the German losses were on various fronts as well as the timing.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 4, 2008 8:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: VOTE!

Hey SF: though a lefty leaning humanist of apathetic political leanings, I have devoted a number of years to study of the first 50 yrs of the 20th century, and esp the social/cultural/militaristic aspects. Here are some rough answers:

Germany lost about 5 mil military, and 2 mil civilians, but there is a lot of uncertainty in those numbers. They lost about 10% of their population. The russkies lost about 15%, and the numbers Rob provided above are close enough, but likewise, and moreso than the German #s, estimates. Additionally, they lost another 30 mil, depending on you ask, in the 30s and the 50s due to Stalin's practices of various sorts.

If you were asking about how those were divided up in terms of Germany combating the Allies, it also varies, but most agree it was minimally 4 to 1. EG, anywhere from 500 to 700 divisions were accounted for on the Eastern Front from 41 thru 45, whereas no more than 95 were destroyed on the Western Front.

Though KMan is right that the US and its industrial output was absolutely vital to the survival of the allies, the supplies provided were primarily in the form of food and non front line supplies, and primarily after the "turning points" with the nations of significance here (UK & russkies; Battle of Britian & Stalingrad, respectively). If you examine the front line equipment, the Brits were lucky bastards to have invested so heavily in two oustanding fighters (hurricane/spitfire) and training, and won with BofB with those. Similarly, the russkies had better tanks and planes than ANYTHING they got from us, and it was their overwhelming numbers that made the difference, and the fact that their leadership were willing to sacrifice them with no thought of the horrific losses they experienced. Something that NO Allied general, nor Axis one for that matter, would have considered doing.

Hmmm, sorry...way too long there...

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Poster: spacedface Date: Nov 5, 2008 1:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: VOTE!

No it's stuff people need to know.

Oddly enough, thank God, it seems like I've through some golden age without severe war and with increasing civil rights!

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffNoiseCollector Date: Nov 5, 2008 3:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: VOTE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOZkpfZprI0